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That's why you needed a character like Clark to come through at the end. Anyone else would get all tangled up in moral ambiguities. Ryan sure would.
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I have always wanted to get into Tom Clancy, but never have, so im looking for some info about him. I saw from WW's post the order of the jack ryan novels, but im wondering if they are like all one story where you need to read them in that order, or if its just a new book a new adventure type of deal.

Also, are his non ryan books all stand alone, or are their other series as well? I noticed splinter cell seems to have more than one book so maybe that is. If their are other series, i would love a chronological order to those as well.

Lastly, im just trying to get an idea of what kind of books they are, i know the theme of them of course, but are they books they are generally fast paced? And i would love to get a general list of which ones are his best, and which if any are bad and not worth reading. I would like a detailed response from someone who is a big fan of his, but any info would do at this point considering i know next to nothing about him.

EDIT: After reading up on it more, i pretty much gathered that its definitly a series you should read, meaning its not just a new adventure with no revelation to the previous story type deal. But im wondering, given the fact that i know the order, should i read it in order? Reading some reviews like say without remorse, the first in the series timeline wise, it seemed awesome to them being able to understand things from later books, so im wondering if reading them in order would kind of take the fun out of it all.

Im thinking that i will try red storm rising first since it has no bearing to jack ryan since i dont have the time to commit to a series of that magnitude yet. What do you guys think of that book?
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Without Remorse is an awesome place to start. Fast paced compared to his other books. I've only read the first four so I'll let the others answer. Ryan series is the only series.
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RED STORM RISING is an awesome, full-blown WWIII novel, told from multiple perspectives and showcasing the very best in military personnel, leadership, and weapons platforms from the Cold War Era. Clancy c0-wrote it with the author Larry Bond, even though Bond didn't get co-author billing. It could be a good place to start, but remember that even though it doesn't deal with any of the larger stories of the Ryan books, it is in itself a very large book, following the course of an entire war, albeit a short war by modern standards.

You really do need to read the Ryan books in an order, especially later on. If you read a later book like EXECUTIVE ORDERS or BEAR AND THE DRAGON without having read books like DEBT OF HONOR and SUM OF ALL FEARS then you will be losing out on so much of what is going on that I would be surprised if you got any enjoyment out of it at all.

You can either read them in the chronological order, like Snowman is, or read them in the order of publication, like I did. Personally, I think the order of publication is the way to go--with the small exception of starting out with PATRIOT GAMES instead of THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER. Part of the joy of reading about Clark is the mystery of the man. And when Clancy wrote WITHOUT REMORSE to explain his backstory, it was all that much more enjoyable for me.

But it's up to you. If you read RED STORM RISING and don't like it, you should also understand that it really is not a good example of Clancy's writing in the Ryan books.

I started the process of re-reading them this year, and now, knowing the direction everything goes, I'm going to read them like this:

PATRIOT GAMES
RED RABBIT (the only one I never read)
THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER
THE CARDINAL OF THE KREMLIN
CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER
THE SUM OF ALL FEARS
WITHOUT REMORSE
DEBT OF HONOR
EXECTURIVE ORDERS
RAINBOW SIX
THE BEAR AND THE DRAGON
TEETH OF THE TIGER

And somewhere along the line I might re-read RED STORM RISING, but it really doesn't matter where. Whenever I get the bug to read it, I'll pick it back up. I'm also restoring my hardcover collection of the books, after my brother ruined or lost some of them, so that might dictate how often I get to the re-reads.
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I would read Without Remorse before The Sum of All Fears. The relationship between Clark and Ritter is established there and it explains what happens in the later book. Other thatn that, it's a pretty good order, although the earlier books were not written chronologically and s don't necessarily need to be read that way.
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