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Since you say you ARE christian...being christian woudl you feel comfortable practicing witchcraft - given all the christian history? (do you get where im going here...?)

And this isnt said in a rude way...but if you dont know the three fold law, maybe you should research a little more before even thinking of casting spells...just a thought. Are you aware that its not as simple as taking a spell off a book or website and doing it? You gotta do A LOT of preparation - from consecrating those tools, empower&cleanse&consecrate your sacred space, cast a circle - where you also invite the elements, than do your spell, close the circle, etc. Its not as simple as just doing the spell. (and of course theres also where you truly feel and believe for what your doing - like where your energy is directed at, your mental state, etc.) Its A LOT more than reading a few lines and having your wishes come true.

And the three fold law is one of the very basic rules of witchcraft!

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without that law wed all be fcuked... thank pagans for that.
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cute:-
First, I have some problem with you wanting to "convert" to Wicca. Though I am a Wiccan myself and I am glad you are coming to Wicca, I am not sure that you know what you are requesting.

Let me explain the difference between a Witch and a Wiccan to you first and foremost cute. A Witch is anyone who practices Magic. A witch can be anyone who reads a tarot card, who burns candle for specific reasons etc..

A Wiccan on the other hand is someone who believes in three very fundamental things. First, a Wiccan believes that Magic is nothing more than prayers granted by the Divine AND through our own effort. What we call spells, either through burning candles, meditation etc.. are not seen as "power". It is seen as a request, similar to a prayer done by other religions except done with greater understanding and greater attunement to Nature.

What you call magic can be better explained by the following analogy. I want to pass an exam. I set aside a time two weeks beforehand to meditate on my intention, burn a few candles, and relax. Later, when my concentration is better because I am so rested I study. When my concentration wanes I go and exercise, sleep than before studying call upon a circle, meditate, retract the circle than go back to study with a refreshed mind.

That is what is called a spell. It does not involve only the candle burning but involves an active effort to change on your part to suit the need. The most important thing to remember is "What ye sends out comes back to thee." You need to work on something for something to happen, and you better work on that something with correct understanding of it. In fact, if you were to cut out the candle burning you would still pass the exam. The Magic here is the relaxation and the meditation part which primes your mind to concentrate much better and the studying part ( and doing past year exam questions ).

Secondly, Wiccans are theist. We believe in a singular Divine that can manifest as both God and Goddess, both male and female. The Divine to us is EVERYTHING, down from the bare ground you walk on to the stars in the heaven. The Divine also covers Christ, the Father, the Holy Spirit as much as it covers the Maiden, the Mother and the Crone as much as it covers the Warrior, the Father and the Sage. Magic is the result of our interaction with the Divine, which bluntly put, is also the result of our interaction and understanding of nature. Therefore, Magic is not supernatural but rather natural. It is also not superstitious. To lose weight you are still going to need to start increasing your activity, decrease your food intake, or increase your catabolism. The Divine is not about to suspend His and Her laws to suit a burning candle though She might appear to suspend the law if you continued to dance vigorously everynight for an hour around a lake. If you think that is supernatural think again!

Thirdly, Wiccans believe in a very important law. "This the Wiccan Rede fulfil, and Ye Harm None do what thou wilt." The Rede very simply put, "If something brings benefit to people do it. If it harms them do not." This does not makes us a bunch of pacifist! If you saw someone on the street punching a little boy you as a Wiccan are obliged through your dedication to the Lady and the Lord to go out and stop such an action. Harm through inaction is as bad as harm through action.

Fourthly, Wiccans know that "What ye send forth comes back to thee." This "What ye send forth" does not only apply to spells, it applies to behavior, action, inaction etc.. As I have said before everything is Magic is Nature is Divine, so as long as you have interaction with Nature you in fact are doing Magic. This means also that if you were to say be rude to someone you should not expect that person to be sweet to you just because you cast a circle demanding everyone to be nice to you. If you were to dress wierdly and everyone avoids you again it is another effect of the Law of Threefold Return. Everything is Magic, even talking to your friend.

If you expect fireballs, might I suggest that you mix one part sulfur, two parts magnesium........

As for cosecrating athames, wands etc.. Those are merely rituals, they are not essential in the attunement, in the separation of the sacred from the mundane....my own Teacher's entire ritual involves waving her finger, once. I myself still call the elements and invite the Lady and the Lord into the circle except I do not have any equipment with me barring my hands, which is use to gesture around!

I highly suggest chick that before you proceed any further you read up some books on Wicca, go to witchvox.com and read up on their Wicca 101, read the Charge of the God ( two versions ) and the Charge of the Goddess as well as read up on the Wiccan Rede.

Another thing I would suggest if you cannot lay hands on a book on Wicca or cannot read the Charge or the Rede I would suggest that you pray directly to the Lady and the Lord.

Yes, I said PRAY. Not spell, not ritual, but pray. Pray as you normally would, but this time address the Divine as God and the Goddess. Do not call or say any names, just address them as Lady and the Lord. Ask them what to do, and how to proceed.

In my case, it was a simple prayer to the Lady and the Lord that changed my life for the better

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...wow, serious stuff. exactly why im not wiccan. i cant do any religions exept my own. *not shure wtf it is but still*

still,yes think carefully. wicca relies on many different rituals and it takes dedication. if you want the whole magic thing but still be christian, may i suggest Paganism.

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You said it- "i cant do any religions exept my own. *not shure wtf it is but still*". I've never been able to stick to one definite set of rules. I always end up crossing lines that the rules set up, and frustrating myself in the end.

I'm not much for solid rituals- I'd probably end up getting mad and making up my own without any kind of experience. Then I'd screw something else up(worse than what I could've done with the original ritual), and my life would be... *boom*... (or if you know me better, the correct term is "normal").

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