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Topic: The Creation of God
Posted By: cd27
Subject: The Creation of God
Date Posted: October/27/2005 at 6:38am
because the other thread has been diluted with off-topic posting, i am respectfully reposting it here.

here is a theory i got tha explains how God himself was created.

"If God created everything, who created him?"

this is a question i have pondered since the age of six. recently, i have been able to answer every question i come across...except this one. so, i have set out to answer this question, and did so a few months back. my answer: He Created Himself.

now let me explain this. how can God "create" himself? well, he didn't say "hey, let me create myself." no, he did it through a paradox. now this may get a little deep...also a little difficult to understand.

Step one: nothing at all exists.

Step Two: An intelligence "pops" up out of no where and begins to progress "evolve" if you may.

Step Three: This intelligence gains a conscience and begins to think and understand. it has dreams and becomes wildly obsessed with them. now he understand enough about his dreams that he can create them, control them, and communicate with the characters within them. it's like a video game. immagine playing a game, then being abl eto communicate with the characters....his "dreams" are us. it tells them that if they follow its rules it will allow them to come out of the dream, "illusion", and become real.

Step Four: now this intelligence, God if you may, decides to leave its place of existence and go into his dream's existence. when he does this, we are back to square (step) one. so now his existence, nothing exists anymore, including God himself. God now exists in the other existence.

So we're back to step one. when Jesus dies, he goes back to his existence.

Step One: an intelligence "pops" up out of no where. this time, it does not have to evolve. the steps of its evolution no longer exist. also, time no longer existed either; it started over when he came back. this is called a paradox.

here are a few questions taht have been asked:

1. did God evolve? no, he did not. because of the paradox, teh time of his "evolution" no longer exists. thus, he is the beginning (the first creation in time and space) and the end (the last creation in time and space).

2. what about the trinity? for this paradox to work (and for God to be able to create himself and EVER exist) he HAD to leave and later return. my guess is that he had more than one "dream" (like you and i), which is where he created the angels and heaven.

he then jumped from one dream (heaven) to another (Earth). he must have done "bi-location" (leaving the conscious mind in more than one location independently). so, he exists in both dreams at the same time (being limited with his powers by the laws he placed int he dreams...since he is living in teh dream as one of the character.)

3. isn't jesus the SON of God? yes and no. he is the "son" because he is a seperate entitiy with limited power. he is God himself because, well, he is. they are both the same person in two differnt place, at the same time, with independent thoughts.

i hope that helped explain some things

cd


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Posted By: gemtaur80
Date Posted: October/27/2005 at 6:44am
I respectfully submit that if you could really and truly answer every question except where does god come from (& even that you have a theory for) that would make you god. And that's just blasphemy so...
As for the original question of where does come from, my answer is we will probably never know and I don't think we're meant to know.


Posted By: cd27
Date Posted: October/27/2005 at 6:46am
ok, thanks for your input, i really appreciate it. your oppinions are just as welcome as everyone else

cd


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Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: October/27/2005 at 6:55am
MORE welcome, actually, because she is a queen.

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Posted By: gemtaur80
Date Posted: October/27/2005 at 6:59am
On a related note, I think believing that you know it all, blocks you from learning so many things. There are always new things to learn about people, the world, etc. Assuming that you are beyond the closes a whole world of experience. At least that's what I think.


Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: October/27/2005 at 7:08am
Even Jesus (knowing you are a Christian) said that we are to become as little children. What he meant was that we should be inquisitve and opened minded to new lessons, willing to accept new ideas, etc. (primarily that to believe in Him would get you life everlasting, of course)
Anyway, this means to walk thru life as a student, not a know-it-all.

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Posted By: jen the oddfrog
Date Posted: October/27/2005 at 7:11am
so glad to hear Im on the right path...that is beautiful Gene...

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Posted By: cd27
Date Posted: October/27/2005 at 7:11am
who said i knew it all? i just know what God has given me, hardly everything. if i knew everything then my purpose on this site would not exist. i am on this site to learn otehr oppinions and learn new things, a theory is a theory, nothing more.

cd


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November/08/2005 at 1:56pm
I do believe that you are missing the point. A paradox is the exsistence of free wiil and predestenation. A contradiction is something that always exsisted and yet in conscience did not exsist. If God is eternal then there was never a begining at all-He simply exist. All of what God is in His wisdom is eternal. So God could not have evolved in wisdom, because His/Her wisdom has always been. So in short God has always been on all He/She is.


Posted By: cd27
Date Posted: November/09/2005 at 4:24am
as have said before, i only stated that he ad a beginning to get the theory going. once he went out of his existence, that "evolution" NEVER took place, thus should be deleted fromt eh entire theory as never even occuring. the real first step is that a hugely intelligent being appeared from no where, which would explain how God is the alpha and omega. i hope it makes a little more sense now...?

cd



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Posted By: Seans
Date Posted: November/09/2005 at 7:44am
Originally posted by cd27 cd27 wrote:

as have said before, i only stated that he ad a beginning to get the theory going. once he went out of his existence, that "evolution" NEVER took place, thus should be deleted fromt eh entire theory as never even occuring. the real first step is that a hugely intelligent being appeared from no where, which would explain how God is the alpha and omega. i hope it makes a little more sense now...?

cd



How does God move away from His exsistene? Can He deny Himself? Do you think you're missing the point by over thinking the God's exsistence?
Do you believe God suffers? I do, but I will wait for your answer before I finish my response.

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Posted By: cd27
Date Posted: November/09/2005 at 8:00am
hmm...intersting..as i had mentioned in my initial post, any existence other than the one god initially was from, is a preference/dream that he had...a very complex one i might add. he had the ability to communicate with individuals in the dreams. i would assume he would also be able to visit them. it's kinda like the matrix, except, instead of leaving your body (existence of yourself in) you take it with you. thus (since all of existence was God himself) when God left existence existence left with him, leaving "nothing".

as for your questions, i do not think God suffers as i do think he mourns when we refuse to follow him.

cd


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Posted By: Seans
Date Posted: November/09/2005 at 9:08am
Originally posted by cd27 cd27 wrote:

hmm...intersting..as i had mentioned in my initial post, any existence other than the one god initially was from, is a preference/dream that he had...a very complex one i might add. he had the ability to communicate with individuals in the dreams. i would assume he would also be able to visit them. it's kinda like the matrix, except, instead of leaving your body (existence of yourself in) you take it with you. thus (since all of existence was God himself) when God left existence existence left with him, leaving "nothing".

as for your questions, i do not think God suffers as i do think he mourns when we refuse to follow him.

cd

I believe God suffers, because God is Love! Love suffers, feels joy, shows pity, and causes us to take action. If something is love then it suffers, and it is a part of that being. So, for God to be called love me must suffer or He is not God. I do reserve the right to be wrong!

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Posted By: cd27
Date Posted: November/09/2005 at 1:51pm
hmmm...suffer....well...i guesss you could look at it with that word....my definition is a bit more slacky. i figure you're probably right, as God loves each and every one of us individually with more love than we could EVER imagine.

cd



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Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: November/09/2005 at 2:13pm
That's a good answer CD.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November/09/2005 at 5:24pm
Originally posted by cd27 cd27 wrote:

hmmm...suffer....well...i guesss you could look at it with that word....my definition is a bit more slacky. i figure you're probably right, as God loves each and every one of us individually with more love than we could EVER imagine.

cd


Cd,
Browning once wrote, "The loving worm admist it's clod were diviner than the loveless god amid his worlds I will dare proclaim."
I believe the loving God is revealed in Christianity-though not in many of his people.


Posted By: cd27
Date Posted: November/10/2005 at 4:22am
lol, true. very true. many try to blame
God for their hardships in life, though in the Bible, in the book of James, it is said taht God neither tempts any man, nor does evil to any man....then it states "do not tempt the Lord God". so believing God will save you doesn't neccisarily mean he will. perhaps there is a lesson he wishes for you to learn, someitmes they take drastic measures, but God NEVER does the bad thing to you. all he does is alow Satan to do his handy work, then he is there for you. have you ever read the "footprints" poem? it's about how a man is waling in the sand, sees two sets of prints, then when he gets in the hard areas, he only sees one. he asks God why he left him, God replies taht he never left him, he carried him.

God doesn't always (but sometimes does) taek you out of harm's way, but he does (always) walk WITH you THROUGH your problems. could you do this with your friends? (that's to everyone)

cd


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Posted By: Seans
Date Posted: November/10/2005 at 10:36am
CD,
Where do you fellowship at?

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Posted By: cd27
Date Posted: November/11/2005 at 4:12am
where do i go to church? a church called Gatlin Creek Baptist Church.

cd


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