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Topic: I have a question
Posted By: maddpsyentist92
Subject: I have a question
Date Posted: September/20/2005 at 12:40pm
This is one of the age old topics about life. Why do bad things happen to good people. I have a response, but I'd like to hear the others consent on this.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September/20/2005 at 8:37pm
I would like to say it happens to them to make them stronger .....that it prepares them and gives them tools for what ever goal they must get too. so they would apreciate it more and be proud of what they accomplish....

I used to believe in that firmly and think that everything happens for a reason but I find myself dissagreeing with this greatly....I think bad things happens to everyone, somehow we pay more attention to someone we believe is good than to someone whom we think deserved it.....

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Posted By: maddpsyentist92
Date Posted: September/21/2005 at 3:57am
could it be that bad things happen to bad people too, but they're to busy with their lives to notice it. (example hurricane katrina)


Posted By: gemtaur80
Date Posted: September/21/2005 at 6:43am
a follow up question...how are we to judge who is good and who is bad? is there a cut off point that makes you either good or bad? is someone ever truly all good or all bad, or does everyone have both good and bad parts of their personalities?


Posted By: jen the oddfrog
Date Posted: September/21/2005 at 6:53am
good people can make bad decisions, but do they learn from them and grow, or blow it off/sweep it under the rug and repeatedly do it again...are we reincarnated based on what we've learned and growth shown each time around?

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Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: September/21/2005 at 7:07am
The omniwise Gem is onto something. Everybody has both 'sides' inside. You need to conciously struggle to repress the bad.
"Think good thoughts" "Visualize whirrled peas"

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Posted By: cd27
Date Posted: September/21/2005 at 7:15am
personally, i don't think it's a bad thing unless you put the idea that it's a bad thing into your mind. things that seem bad have a bigger picture to it, if you look to see how the bad things could be turned to the good (like a lesson in life, or a way to know what to do next time, or to help other people, all of these could potentially change your life and the lives of others who are struggling throguh what you last went throgh). you're like a liazone for pain.

cd


Posted By: maddpsyentist92
Date Posted: September/21/2005 at 12:26pm
I can't label myself as good or bad. unfortunatley I do as many good things as I do bad, so I'm kinda stuck in nuetral. That would mean that bad things would have to happen to everyone and good things would too. Am I right?


Posted By: cd27
Date Posted: September/21/2005 at 12:47pm

well, in a christian view point, you're just as bad as a murderer, until you get saved. there is no "i do mostly good things, so i'm a good person, therefore better than a person who does really really bad things all the time"....one question..."if a person murders someone in cold blood, yet, does good things for the rest of their life, are they a good guy (according to your comment above) or are they a murderer?"

cd


Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: September/21/2005 at 1:03pm
Heaven is not won by good works, it is won by Belief in Jesus as your saviour; and by humbling yourself to ask Gods forgiveness for your sins. There are many that murdered- now believed to be in heaven, King David probably the most prominent.
Everyone sins, is capable of both good and bad. A 'good' person MIGHT be someone that feels remorse, asks for forgiveness and trys not to do it again.
A bad person MIGHT be a person, like a serial killer, that has no remorse, perhaps proud of what they've done.
All of these people can still make heaven. All will be judged for what they have done.

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Posted By: maddpsyentist92
Date Posted: September/21/2005 at 2:14pm
I don't like to think of someone who isn't "savd is "bad", because I think that pressuring religion on you and I don't think that's fair, and also don't think it's fair to force people into doing what you say, and making them fear that they wll go to hell (not that eric or anyone else is doing that). Like I said before, I do't belive in good or evil, there's just hatred between one another. Love for one thing leads to the hatred of another. It's harsh but true IMO. I really liked this video when I saw, it and it literally changed my perception of life c http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/lifecynical.php - click


Posted By: cd27
Date Posted: September/22/2005 at 2:46am

that's why i said "in a christian view"....not everyone is a christian

cd



Posted By: Bear and Wolf
Date Posted: September/22/2005 at 5:18am
God, Goddess, life or what ever you want to call it only asks of you what it thinks you can handle.

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Posted By: maddpsyentist92
Date Posted: September/22/2005 at 12:58pm
I still like that life as seen by cynical. Especially the one wher it says. Space, it's cold, dark, and lonely, yet everyone want to go to it just so they can say they saw it for themselves. Btw I'm a cristian to eric, i just don't believe with about half of the stuff that they push on us.


Posted By: Daemonpryde
Date Posted: September/23/2005 at 2:39pm
My take on the original question, is that good and bad happens to everyone.

It doesn't matter how "good" a person has been, how charitable, honest, hardworking, kind, generous, loving, etc. etc.

Life is not fair, and there is no higher power keeping score on everyone's actions.

No-one gets what they deserve, we all just get what we get.


Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: September/23/2005 at 3:04pm
There IS a higher power, and will judge us all someday, but not on this earth. On earth we are given free will to do as our conscience guides us.

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Posted By: maddpsyentist92
Date Posted: September/23/2005 at 5:04pm
this is the deep thinkers forum, so you can't just say something is or isn't, you have to explain why you believe that whatever it is right.


Posted By: k_kid
Date Posted: September/23/2005 at 5:54pm
i agree wit that and second it.


Posted By: gemtaur80
Date Posted: September/23/2005 at 6:11pm
but why?


Posted By: donp
Date Posted: September/24/2005 at 4:19am
yea, why must anyone explain what they say. this is the deep thinkers area. you arte supposed to think about what is being said.

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Posted By: k_kid
Date Posted: September/24/2005 at 9:22am
ur right. nvm.


Posted By: maddpsyentist92
Date Posted: September/24/2005 at 11:17am
Originally posted by donp donp wrote:

yea, why must anyone explain what they say. this is the deep thinkers area. you are supposed to think about what is being said.
I agree with that, but although you should think about what someone has said, you should say that something is or isn't (unless it's a religous thing), because you wouldn't have an understanding of what they post.Philosophy is about finding answers on a deeper level, and although they don't have to be proven factual, they have to have some rhyme or reason for it.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September/26/2005 at 10:44am
If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying". And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is, "Probably because of something you did".


Posted By: drake7707
Date Posted: September/26/2005 at 1:48pm
yeah, i'm always thinking before i reply to something, to avoid being silly or make myself a complete idiot again (learned that the hard way).

But err about the philosophy part,........ *no use to put an fake explanation here*, i just plain hate philosophy. goddamn... i hate it so much...


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Posted By: gemtaur80
Date Posted: September/26/2005 at 1:50pm
philosophy is fine but if there are facts that contradict your philosphy, the philosophy doesn't amount to much.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September/26/2005 at 1:54pm
I agree. You need to believe in God before you would tell a child that "God is crying". Is this what you mean, in context?


Posted By: gemtaur80
Date Posted: September/26/2005 at 2:03pm
i once did a monologue from a play called "ontological proof of my existence." it went really well, once i figured out what ontological meant. if you put ontological proof of my existence into google the first site that comes up discusses the impossibility of an ontological proof of the existence of god.


Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: September/26/2005 at 2:13pm
We are FINALLY getting DEEP. Yeah, It's like the question: "Do you believe I have a quarter dollar in my pocket?" If you say "yes", you have faith in me. If you say "show it to me"; you are requiring proof, and have no faith. God cannot be proven, only faith is gonna work. I'm going to go Google that now. Cool. 'ontological proof'

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