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Topic: ENDER'S GAME by Orson Scott Card
Posted By: Belladonna
Subject: ENDER'S GAME by Orson Scott Card
Date Posted: October/02/2008 at 12:50am
I've been looking forward to this read. It's my first Card book and even though I've only made it to page 11, it's amazing!
Kids can be so cruel. I can't wait to read more of Ender.



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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: October/02/2008 at 4:59am
It's my first Card book also and I left off yesterday at page 11, LOL! I really didn't expect the first couple chapters to come off so dark, especially so quickly.

It looks like a great read!


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Posted By: christophersnow
Date Posted: October/02/2008 at 6:52am
Awesome! The best has yet to come. Oh boy are you all in for some very interesting surprises. This book is one of those few books that are pure literature, where every single sentence contributes to the whole (character development, theme, plot).

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Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: October/02/2008 at 9:47am
Well, I'm looking forward to evaluating what has generated all the HYPE!

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Posted By: christophersnow
Date Posted: October/02/2008 at 11:31am
You'll like it Gene, it really transcends the genre like most of Koontz's books and that Orwell book about that year.

Patti- Thought I'd let you know that I loved Olympos by Simmons. Read it over the past 1.5 months. It took too long to get to the answers, but was a nice ride anyways.

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Posted By: Blazingice0608
Date Posted: October/02/2008 at 11:52am
Havent been able to particapte in any group reads yet, im intetersted in or own most of them, the timing was just off for me, same with this one, i really want to read it and the series as well. However im really interested in ordering Ushers Passing, ill make sure i order it next time i can, hopefully i can get it by November and actually particapate in a group read for once, lol. Ushers Passing is what i want to be my first McCammon book anyway so it should work out nicely for me if i can get it in time.


Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: October/02/2008 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by christophersnow christophersnow wrote:

You'll like it Gene, it really transcends the genre like most of Koontz's books and that Orwell book about that year.

Patti- Thought I'd let you know that I loved Olympos by Simmons. Read it over the past 1.5 months. It took too long to get to the answers, but was a nice ride anyways.


Chris, I'm happy you got a chance to read it and liked it. Those 2 books were just sheer joy for me to read - I didn't want them to ever end!

Ender's Game is alot better than I thought it would be, sometimes I am disappointed when I get a book that has been highly recommended. I'm sure it's because my expectations are too high but that's not the case here this book is very well written from the first page!



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Posted By: Belladonna
Date Posted: October/03/2008 at 12:56am
Originally posted by Blazingice0608 Blazingice0608 wrote:

Havent been able to particapte in any group reads yet, im intetersted in or own most of them, the timing was just off for me, same with this one, i really want to read it and the series as well. However im really interested in ordering Ushers Passing, ill make sure i order it next time i can, hopefully i can get it by November and actually particapate in a group read for once, lol. Ushers Passing is what i want to be my first McCammon book anyway so it should work out nicely for me if i can get it in time.


It'd be nice to have you join a read with us.

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Posted By: christophersnow
Date Posted: October/06/2008 at 3:35pm
Did it all of a sudden get bad?

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Posted By: Belladonna
Date Posted: October/06/2008 at 5:32pm
Originally posted by christophersnow christophersnow wrote:

Did it all of a sudden get bad?


No, it's just that I've only been able to read a few pages here and there the past few days. Tomorrow I've got a whole day to devote to it, looking forward to it.

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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: October/06/2008 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by christophersnow christophersnow wrote:

Did it all of a sudden get bad?


LOL! I haven't been in the mood to read.

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Posted By: Belladonna
Date Posted: October/07/2008 at 10:56am
I'm still in the beginning of the story, but I'm trying to picture a 6 yr old little boy leaving everything behind for a new and different life, in a space shuttle, wow.
Ender is different from the other boys, exceptional.
Can you believe what his brother Peter was like? Goes way past sibling rivalry.

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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: October/07/2008 at 1:07pm
I feel sorry for the poor kid, I like his attitude tho.

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Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: October/09/2008 at 12:45pm
Growing up,there are always bullies. I'm really liking how he's bringing along this character..."Why did I wait so long?"

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Posted By: Belladonna
Date Posted: October/13/2008 at 10:50am
Originally posted by GeneB GeneB wrote:

Growing up,there are always bullies. I'm really liking how he's bringing along this character..."Why did I wait so long?"


I was thinking that also Gene, I'm so glad that I'm reading it now though. I wonder if the whole series is a good as Ender's Game.

Patti are you still reading? I've been into it alot today.

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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: October/13/2008 at 11:04am
LOL, yes - me too! I`m on page 148. I really love this book, I have to find the rest in the series. I have Xenocide and Enders Shadow but I think it`s from a separate series.

Who has read these and can fill us in on the order?

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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: October/13/2008 at 11:13am
Nevermind, it looks like Speaker For The Dead is next, then Xenocide.
Ender's Shadow is the first in a different series.



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Posted By: Belladonna
Date Posted: October/13/2008 at 11:17am
Try this also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender%27s_Game_series#Ender_series

It helped me, I need A War of Gifts and Shadow of the Giant.

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Posted By: christophersnow
Date Posted: October/13/2008 at 11:28am
Have you got to the Dragon Army part yet?

I love how Ender signed off as God!

Don't worry about A WAR OF GIFTS, it's a short story and I haven't read it yet.

I suggest reading it in the publication order.

That means read the ENDER series, then the SHADOW series.

The ENDER series is more of a family / philosophical epic, with more action towards the end of the series. Not as much action as the first book, but very interesting. I absolutely loved SPEAKER FOR THE DEAD, and thought it came close to the greatness of the first book, though many people don't like it.

If you don't enjoy that series that much, you can still love the other series (SHADOW), which is more action / military oriented, though it does have it's philosophy stuff. ENDER'S SHADOW is like ENDER'S GAME, but from Bean's perspective. I was surprised how well it held up even though you know the events of the book.

There is a new Ender book this November, I would save that for last though.

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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: October/13/2008 at 11:33am
thanks Belladonna.
I think I will probably read them all, lol.
I didn't know this was a YA series, sure doesn't seem like one to me.

Belladonna: This is your first sci-fi novel isn't it? What to you think - are you interested enough to read more?

I really enjoy the philosphical aspect of this book, it kinda reminds me of Atlas Shrugged except I agree with this stuff.

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Posted By: Belladonna
Date Posted: October/13/2008 at 11:39am
Good info Snowman!

Yes, I do like Ender's game enough to keep going with the series. I have quite a few I've picked up along the way when people here started speaking so highly of Card.

I haven't gotten to the Dragon Army part yet.

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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: October/13/2008 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by christophersnow christophersnow wrote:

Have you got to the Dragon Army part yet?

I love how Ender signed off as God!

Don't worry about A WAR OF GIFTS, it's a short story and I haven't read it yet.

I suggest reading it in the publication order.

That means read the ENDER series, then the SHADOW series.

The ENDER series is more of a family / philosophical epic, with more action towards the end of the series. Not as much action as the first book, but very interesting. I absolutely loved SPEAKER FOR THE DEAD, and thought it came close to the greatness of the first book, though many people don't like it.

If you don't enjoy that series that much, you can still love the other series (SHADOW), which is more action / military oriented, though it does have it's philosophy stuff. ENDER'S SHADOW is like ENDER'S GAME, but from Bean's perspective. I was surprised how well it held up even though you know the events of the book.

There is a new Ender book this November, I would save that for last though.


Thanks a million Chris, I was hoping you'd show up.
I was just wondering if I should read them chronologically or by publication date - I'll go with publication order then.

I loved the part where he hacked into the system and sent messages. I just finished the shower part, I wonder about Petra - friend or foe? I'm sure I'll find out soon. This is very well written stuff. I'm happy I found a new author that I love!

I wonder if GeneB is liking this as much as we are? I guess it's just the three of us reading this.

Let me tell you, you're all missing out on a great read!




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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: October/14/2008 at 1:47am
I finished it last night and the ending blew me away - WOW!! It is a definite 10/10 book and I can't wait to read the rest of the series!


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Posted By: gemtaur80
Date Posted: October/14/2008 at 6:25am
I'd agree with chris' assessment of the two series. They are both good in their own ways. The Ender series is more philosophical and less action oriented.


Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: October/14/2008 at 8:56am
I'm really loving it, although with my illness and the huge pile of dirt on my driveway, I haven't been reading as much. Pretty tired by the time I get horizontal and am only good for 2-4 pages before watery eyes and nod-off time. I'have a few assorted 'Ender' books I've picked up, but no idea which ones.
BTW...how is the 'publication date' different from 'chronological' order ?????

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Posted By: gemtaur80
Date Posted: October/14/2008 at 9:10am
***Minor Spoilers to answers Gene's question****


In the next book in the Enders series, Speaker for the Dead, Ender has travelled through deep space to another planet, effectively moving him ahead many years in time before the story line picks up.

In the other Ender related series that begins with Enders Shadow (was published after Speaker for the Dead and others in that string of books), the events overlap in time with Enders Game. The books subsequent to Enders Shadow cover time shortly after Enders Game. Which means that the story lines covered in them are chronologically prior to where Speaker for the Dead picks up.


Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: October/14/2008 at 4:40pm
And I thought Wilson's 'Adversary Cycle' was kooky!

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Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: October/24/2008 at 1:21pm
Well, I finished Ender and I must say it was not as good as the billing. Not really sci-fi as I'm expecting, more psychological actually. the ending did nothing for me...so I'm unsure about moving onto the rest of the series...need more meat...where's the beef?

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Posted By: Belladonna
Date Posted: October/28/2008 at 12:51am
I'm going to finish today, I like the story a lot.

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Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: November/03/2008 at 6:01am
I am 1/3 of the way into 'Speaker...' and I must say that it is alot better than '...Game' but I guess thats just me.

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Posted By: Belladonna
Date Posted: November/03/2008 at 6:07am
Gene I almost started Speaker, but set it aside. What's it like, is there a lot more characters? I think Patti might be reading it too.

In the end of Enders's Game...SPOILER ALERT!!!










.....I thought it was cool how the buggers had made the hill with the dead giant and the tower so Ender would find the egg. Pretty wild how what he and his crew thought was simulation was the actual war, that blew me away.

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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: November/03/2008 at 8:50am
Originally posted by GeneB GeneB wrote:

I am 1/3 of the way into 'Speaker...' and I must say that it is alot better than '...Game' but I guess thats just me.


I finished Speaker For The Dead the other day and liked Ender's Game alot more. It was very good mind you, just not "perfect" like Ender's Game. I gave it a 8/10 - mainly because all the Portuguese stuff didn't interest me in the least, but it does get interesting eventually.

I'm happy you like it GeneB - maybe we'll get you to read Fantasy one day .....

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Posted By: GeneB
Date Posted: February/12/2009 at 6:28am
I borrowed the book Xenocide (Ender #3) and hope we can agree to use it as a group greed read, perhaps April??

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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: February/14/2009 at 3:43pm
SURE!! I'd love to - I may even have that book, I have to go look.

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