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Printed Date: October/01/2020 at 1:06pm


Topic: Christ the Lord
Posted By: FinalExam
Subject: Christ the Lord
Date Posted: February/21/2007 at 4:40am
I must say that when I first heard Rice was going to be writing a biography of Jesus, I thought, "I've suspected it for years, but I finally have confirmation that Rice has lost her ever-loving mind!" I read it just out of curiosity, and I have to say I am eating crow. I'm not a religious person, but as a novel, I thought this was first rate. The writing was delicious, like her earlier works. The characters were distinct--in her more recent horror novels I felt all the characters had become bland and generic, one bleeding into the next--and I found I cared about them and wanted to follow them on their journey. I think Rice had really dug herself into a rut with her horror novels, basically writing the same books over and over and over and over and over...you get the point. I feel she needed a complete change in subject matter to revitalize her writing, and as far as I'm concerned, it succeeded.



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Posted By: breezit
Date Posted: February/22/2007 at 10:18am
Good to hear that, I'll definitely have to give this one a try. Like you, I thought the concept sounded kind of terrible.

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"In the real world as in dreams, nothing is quite what it seems. Dean Koontz



Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: February/22/2007 at 2:33pm
Trust me, breezit, I was as suprised as anyone to enjoy this book. But she makes the situations seem real, the characters alive, and there were a couple of exchanges that gave me chills.


Posted By: MONSTER
Date Posted: October/11/2007 at 9:37am
This is off tread, but i have to know, what happened...
I here there is never to be another "horror" (i use the term lightly) book by her.

Why? I have my suspition's, but i hope im wrong, she really isnt done is she?

Enjoyed the hell out of Christ 2, some of the Dogma threw me but an interesting take on josh.

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"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what's right." Isaac Asimov


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: October/11/2007 at 4:20pm
She says she rediscovered God and wanted to dedicate her life to writing books for him, so according to her, no more horror novels. Some say it happened with the death of her husband, but she said she had sort of reached the decision before he died.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: MONSTER
Date Posted: October/11/2007 at 5:18pm
I KNEW IT!!
Thats so damn folish, did she forget in all her books, there was goodness, maybe even god, you felt the undertones she was mad at her maker, in every one there was evil, trying to love & be good to one another.

This sucks, iv been in denial,

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"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what's right." Isaac Asimov


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: October/11/2007 at 6:58pm
Well, I'm not a religious person, but I appreciated Christ the Lord as a well told story with some vivid characterizations. Now if that is all she ever writes about for the remainder of her life...well, I wasn't happy with the last SEVERAL of her horror novels, but I will miss the vamps and the kinky sex. Hopefully she still likes us gay folk though; I mean, her son is one after all.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: MONSTER
Date Posted: October/12/2007 at 7:57am
Ha, doubt it, wait for it she'll start daming her own work and any thing agaist the church! Christions can be horrible hipocrit's, and i was raised one, watch- her empathy for the gay comunity will disapear, as for "kinky sex" lol please. what do you think? its all quite sad really

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"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what's right." Isaac Asimov


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: October/12/2007 at 8:24am
She can still be religious and okay with her gay son, I hope. I mean, my mother is cool with me and actually treats my hubby as a full-fledged son-in-law despite her religious beliefs.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: MONSTER
Date Posted: October/12/2007 at 10:43am
It's a nice thought, you would hope love for your child breaks all rules in heavan and earth, but iv seen some dumb ass parants disown there only child for there "god"
As a parent i could care less, If my girls go lez that would be even better, wouldnt have to scare off the little boys trying to take them out.

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"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what's right." Isaac Asimov


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: October/12/2007 at 10:53am
I agree there are parents who turn their backs on their children because of their homosexuality, but I guess I just hope the fact that for a lifetime she seemed supportive of us gay folk--and we actually were devoted fans--will keep her grounded. Then again, she did decide to dedicate the rest of her career to writing for Jesus, so I'm not how grounded she is anymore. Still, the result was a really good book so I'm not complaining too loud. Christ the Lord was the best thing she's written in a decade.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: breezit
Date Posted: October/12/2007 at 11:34am
I remember seeing an interview with her once, a recent one, where she expressed the view that Pope Benedict would change the Catholic Church's views on homosexuality.   That being said, I don't believe she's a big fan of modernizing the Church, I think she prefers doing the mass in Latin, etc.





Posted By: MONSTER
Date Posted: October/12/2007 at 1:19pm
Time will tell i supose,

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"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what's right." Isaac Asimov


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: January/05/2008 at 10:27pm
The next Christ the Lord book is coming out this year, and I have to say I plan to buy it. I notice now that she's off the vamp/witch books she doesn't churn out a new book every single year. Which to me is a good thing, I notice a lot of these writers who put out one or multiple books a year tend to sacrifice quality in some of their works.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: MONSTER
Date Posted: January/06/2008 at 5:47am
I'll be there to buy it, i havent looked up the overview, i wounder what old Josh will be up 2.

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"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what's right." Isaac Asimov


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: January/06/2008 at 6:01am
It comes out in March, which is the same month her son has a new book coming out.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: Dagnarus
Date Posted: February/24/2008 at 11:03pm
do you guys think it would be worth me buying her christ the lord books as im not really religious but love her writing style, what type of books is her son writing, anyone know?

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Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: February/25/2008 at 1:18am
I'm not religious either, but I think the book is very well written with finely drawn characters and a story that draws you in. I don't view it as nonfiction, just a fiction novel.

Her son is gay and writes these books taht are sort of gay mysteries. his best is his second book, The Snow Garden, that's the one I'd recommend.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: Dagnarus
Date Posted: February/26/2008 at 10:34pm
thanks Final, will check it out

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Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: September/14/2008 at 5:22pm
Hey FE. Did you ever read the 2nd book The Road To Cana? I loved both these books! I've never read any of her vampire books but I did see the movie with Brad Pitt and Tom C. I think she did a brave thing to try and write from Christ's perspective. She was wonderful and gifted in her attempt. I'm looking forward to the 3rd.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: September/28/2008 at 6:04am
Sorry, only just now noticed this post dnurse. I did read the second book and I enjoyed it as well. Thought the characters were so well defined, the story compelling. It ends getting more into familiar biblical stories and I must admit I didn't enjoy that as much as her filling in the gaps.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: September/28/2008 at 6:02pm
Glad you finally noticed me down here! I enjoyed the filling in the gaps parts best too. I'm amazed at how well she does it. The tension between Yeshua and his brother James fits in well with the bible. I really enjoyed Yeshua's relationship with Avigail. Rice brought out Yeshua's humanity with a realistic portrait in my opinion. Avigail's father, Shemayah, was such a frustrating character. Rice used poetic license but she did it just right. No complaints here.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: September/28/2008 at 11:59pm
I wonder since there was the potential love interest there if a lot of Christians are up in arms about it the way they were The Last Temptation of Christ. Okay, yes I know Jesus is supposed to be holy and perfect, but he did come to earth as HUMAN according to the stories, so I really liked how she made him so real and complex and human. I just hope that she maintains that in the rest of the series now that we've entered traditional bible territory.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: September/29/2008 at 1:26am
Actually, AR's Christ books are recommended reads in some churches. In the Christian belief system, Christ was fully human and fully God. It would've been expected of him as a Jewish man to marry and perfectly normal. I wondered what would be Christ's reasoning for not getting married. Christ experienced the same human desires as the rest of us. Back in Christ's time, a widow was the lowest person in society. I was curious of how Rice would depict Christ choosing to not get married. I mean, it wouldn't be cool to leave behind a widow in those days if you knew ahead of time you'd be subjecting her to the life of a widow which could be quite horrible. I'm looking forward to the 3rd book. I also want to see how she portrays Christ "so real and complex and human," along with being fully God. How do you do that? I'm sure there are a lot of Christians "up in arms" about it all. I don't have these type of issues. I'm not of the literal interpretation fundamentalist belief system. The bible is symbolic, about why rather than how in many areas. Unfortunately, many people use their religion to express their hostility. It's sad. You're an atheist and I don't have any hostility towards that. I understand it. I use to be one. You're openly gay, and I can't fathom having to endure what you've probably been subjected to from people in the name of religion. I have no hostility toward your sexual orientation. I don't believe you're "going to hell." I also don't get all the paranoia towards atheist wanting to "take God out of our schools, etc." Atheists aren't saying don't pray in school, or put in God we don't trust on back of the dollar, or one nation not under God. Separation of church and state is a good thing. It's a win/win situation in my opinion. Should we put "In Zues we trust" on the back of the dollar? Anyway, people misplace their hostilities and hide them under piety. It can be very scary. Rice is very respectful and real about the Christ series. I admire her. I've never read her vampire books but she's impressed the heck out of me with the Christ books.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: September/29/2008 at 10:55am
Christians like you are the ones I think as an outside observer seem to have the truest grasp of what Christiantiy is supposed to be about. Too many seem to use it as a power trip, as a chance to feel superior and cast judgement on others they think are somehow less than they are. Thta seems to go directly against the teachings of Christ. I wish there were more like you, and I often wonder if Christians like you get really upset by people like Fred Phelps who takes "God Hates f**s" signs to funerals. I mean, they really give Christians a bad name, when there are many who are not that mean-spirited or judgemental.

I often feel athesit also get a bad rep, like we're all selfish and against religion. I don't begrudge anyone choosing to lead a Christian life, I can respect that, I just ask they respect me as well. I also hate when atheists are portrayed as having no moral compass.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: September/29/2008 at 2:16pm
Fred Phelps is a threat and menace to society. He simply is hate. I think every religious denomination has denounced him along with many human rights activists. I think he is frightening and repulsive. He promotes and fosters hate and violence. Phelps' primary focus is against homosexuals but he targets his hate at numerous other groups. He'd tell me I'm destined to eternal damnation. I wish he could be sent to a parallel world in which he is surrounded by nothing but clones of himself. Think about it. He's full of hate. You think he would be happy? He would be miserable. What would he do if he didn't have anything to focus his hatred on. What would he do with all that hate? He would be forced to face something about himself. Would he be forced to hate himself? He couldn't exist without an object to hate. I think he might experience internal combustion from his hatred.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: September/30/2008 at 2:20pm
Even though I am not a Christian, I do sometimes think you all get a bad rep becuase of the crazies like Phelps who get all the media attention. Just like I think the media sometimes want to show only the most grossly stereotypical gay people, I feel the same happens with Christians. They're not all judgemental and devoid of fun, and I think there should be more well rounded people. If I write my mystery with a nun who teaches college and an atheist student, I want to treat her beliefs with respect.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: June/29/2009 at 1:03pm
Does anyone have any information about when the 3rd book of this series will be available? I can't find anything.
If anybody hears anything, I'll appreciate the update.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: christophersnow
Date Posted: June/29/2009 at 3:07pm
I think we should put In Galt We Trust on the back of the dollar. That would solve a lot of the world's problems. I may read Rice one day. After I read the original DRACULA. Probably won't read the Christ the Communist books though.

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"It had to be said. The world is perishing from an orgy of self-sacrificing." - Howard Roark
Dean Koontz= Always working!


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: June/30/2009 at 6:42am
Christ the Communist will not be the name of her 3rd book I don't think.

"Religious arguments don't work on Objectivists. Otherwise, there would be no Objectivists."

I agree with the Galt comment. I liked the original Dracula. I think I read it about 5 years ago.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: christophersnow
Date Posted: June/30/2009 at 8:50am
Is that a take on the House quote? "Reason doesn't work on religious people. Otherwise, there would be no religion."

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"It had to be said. The world is perishing from an orgy of self-sacrificing." - Howard Roark
Dean Koontz= Always working!


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: June/30/2009 at 11:07am
Of course, that's why I misquoted it since you are the House expert.

The original is "Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise there would be no religious people."




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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: christophersnow
Date Posted: June/30/2009 at 11:17am
Yeah, I noticed I made that error after hitting the post button and didn't feel like fixing it.

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"It had to be said. The world is perishing from an orgy of self-sacrificing." - Howard Roark
Dean Koontz= Always working!


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: July/01/2009 at 12:06am
There was a religious girl in college that really wanted to save me. She was sweet enough but she was really upset that her constant quoting of Bible verses didn't make me not gay, and I kept trying to explain to her that since I didn't beleive the Bible was an ything more than a book of m ythology her quoting of verses from it did not win me over. So what would she do...find more verses to quote at me. :-)

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: July/01/2009 at 4:25am
That never worked with me either. I remember yelling one time at someone saying "The bible has no influence on me when you reference it!" I always had a bible though since I was 5 I would read it. I asked my parents to get me one, even though they didn't believe in it, they got it for me. My parents think there must be a "religious gene" because they don't know where I and my sibling got the drive to seek it at such a young age without their help. My sibling and I were close and we were "in it together." We'd even beg to go to church and they allowed it but I didn't believe in it. I still pursued it until one day I did believe it. I've mentioned I'm not one who interprets the bible in a literal manner. I even understand logically the case of the atheist. Ayn Rand addressed it the best. That is the other half of my brain now. LOL. It's quite perplexing to my faith in Christ. It's like I say "I understand there is no way you are real! This is one big sham. Why are you still in my heart? Why do I seek You my entire life?! You give me such struggles! I love you Christ, don't leave me!" LOL
I've also mentioned to you how I feel about the gay issue and Christianity, so I won't be redundant.

Anne Rice is doing a wonderful job with the Christ the Lord (not communist)books. She's brave and bold. You were mentioning in the new series thread that this 3rd book might not be as intersting since it will closely follow the bible. I'm hoping for her unique take on it to still be present.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.




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